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GYXE > General discussion > Are Kellogs cornflakes gluten free? 21 May 2008 18:22:53

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Are Kellogs cornflakes gluten free?

Tom Brehony 21 May 2008 18:22:53
 I am gluten sensitive (a mild coeliac) and I'd assumed that Kellogs
Cornflakes (and all other cornflakes too) contained gluten.

But recently a coeliac friend of a friend of mine said that he can eat
them, so they must be gluten free.

Can anyone confirm this, or is my friend's friend an even milder
coeliac that I am?

Tom.


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Jack Campin - bogus address 10 March 2005 23:04:47 permanent link ]
 
I am gluten sensitive (a mild coeliac) and I'd assumed that Kellogs> Cornflakes (and all other cornflakes too) contained gluten.>
But recently a coeliac friend of a friend of mine said that he can eat> them, so they must be gluten free.>
Can anyone confirm this, or is my friend's friend an even milder> coeliac that I am?

They contain malt, which contains gluten.

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Temprance 11 March 2005 04:08:03 permanent link ]
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:04:47 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
<bogus@purr.demon.c­o.uk> wrote:
I am gluten sensitive (a mild coeliac) and I'd assumed that Kellogs>> Cornflakes (and all other cornflakes too) contained gluten.>>
But recently a coeliac friend of a friend of mine said that he can eat>> them, so they must be gluten free.>>
Can anyone confirm this, or is my friend's friend an even milder>> coeliac that I am?>
They contain malt, which contains gluten.>
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============>Jack­ Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760><http://www.pu­rr.demon.co.uk/jack/­> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975>stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557
They told me that Cornflakes and Rice Krispies were gluten free and
nut free. The only 2 products to be nut free. I need to check that out
Temprance
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Rosemary Hanger 11 March 2005 05:04:54 permanent link ]
 Temprance wrote:
They told me that Cornflakes and Rice Krispies were gluten free and> nut free. The only 2 products to be nut free. I need to check that out> Temprance


If they are made the same way as they are here in Oz, then they
definitely contain malt extract, just like Jack said. And malt extract
is definitely not GF. All Kelloggs products are on the Aust. Coeliac
Soc.'s list of no-nos.

R

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Tom Brehony 11 March 2005 15:18:13 permanent link ]
 "Rosemary Hanger" <rosemary@sillyYak.­com.au> wrote in message
news:4230ee8e$1@dus­ter.adelaide.on.net.­..> Temprance wrote:>
They told me that Cornflakes and Rice Krispies were gluten free and>> nut free. The only 2 products to be nut free. I need to check that out>> Temprance>
If they are made the same way as they are here in Oz, then they definitely > contain malt extract, just like Jack said. And malt extract is definitely > not GF. All Kelloggs products are on the Aust. Coeliac Soc.'s list of > no-nos.>
R

Thanks for the replies people. You've confirmed what I've always thought,
that they do contain gluten.

Tom.


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Temprance 11 March 2005 21:00:34 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:04:54 +1100, Rosemary Hanger
<rosemary@sillyYak.­com.au> wrote:
Temprance wrote:>
They told me that Cornflakes and Rice Krispies were gluten free and>> nut free. The only 2 products to be nut free. I need to check that out>> Temprance>
If they are made the same way as they are here in Oz, then they >definitely contain malt extract, just like Jack said. And malt extract >is definitely not GF. All Kelloggs products are on the Aust. Coeliac >Soc.'s list of no-nos.>
R
That's so annoying. It was the dietician in the hospital that told me
I could eat the small boxes of Rice krispies and Cornflakes that they
supplied. Granted I only have a wheat allergy so maybe that's why but
I'm going to check it out.
T
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Rosemary Hanger 12 March 2005 00:24:39 permanent link ]
 Temprance wrote:
If they are made the same way as they are here in Oz, then they >>definitely contain malt extract, just like Jack said. And malt extract >>is definitely not GF. All Kelloggs products are on the Aust. Coeliac >>Soc.'s list of no-nos.>>
That's so annoying. It was the dietician in the hospital that told me> I could eat the small boxes of Rice krispies and Cornflakes that they> supplied. Granted I only have a wheat allergy so maybe that's why but> I'm going to check it out.> T


If you are wheat allergic rather than coeliac, then maybe you can eat
the Kelloggs products. So far as I know, the barley malt extract is the
only unacceptable ingredient in them (sorry - but I never buy them so
not 100% sure of the rest of the ingredients!!).

R

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Hu-Mi Yu 12 March 2005 04:33:14 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:08:58 +0000
Jack Campin - bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.c­o.uk> wrote:
Local health boards> here put pressure on doctors not to hospitalize, and they have no> economic incentive to.

I appreciate your point, and your detailed description of the context.
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Mike Edwards 16 March 2005 19:00:41 permanent link ]
 
One more thing. I have> nut and seed allergy as well. For breakfast one morning I got sent up> a box of rice krispies and a can of orange lucozade. Even the staff> were bemused at that. The very same hospital Bogus. Except I'm not> alllowed lucozade due to the nut thing.

Can you explain the issue with Lucozade please as I've never heard of,
or had, any problems with it?
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Temprance 17 March 2005 00:13:38 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:00:41 +0000, Mike Edwards
<mike.edwards@rocks­oft.demon.co.uk> wrote:
One more thing. I have>> nut and seed allergy as well. For breakfast one morning I got sent up>> a box of rice krispies and a can of orange lucozade. Even the staff>> were bemused at that. The very same hospital Bogus. Except I'm not>> alllowed lucozade due to the nut thing.>
Can you explain the issue with Lucozade please as I've never heard of, >or had, any problems with it?
I was told that Bottle Lucozade was made in a factory where they used
vegetable oil to clean down machinery and they couldn't guarantee it
nut free..
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Temprance 18 March 2005 15:53:19 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:13:38 +0000, Temprance
<spam.seula@spamdot­selkie.org.ukspam> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:00:41 +0000, Mike Edwards><mike.edwar­ds@rocksoft.demon.co­.uk> wrote:>
One more thing. I have>>> nut and seed allergy as well. For breakfast one morning I got sent up>>> a box of rice krispies and a can of orange lucozade. Even the staff>>> were bemused at that. The very same hospital Bogus. Except I'm not>>> alllowed lucozade due to the nut thing.>>
Can you explain the issue with Lucozade please as I've never heard of, >>or had, any problems with it?>I was told that Bottle Lucozade was made in a factory where they used>vegetable oil to clean down machinery and they couldn't guarantee it>nut free..

I have been in touch with Kelloggs UK.
Hordein from the malt is present in a very very minute quantity. It's
so little that the Coeliac Society list Kelloggs Cornflakes and Rice
Krispies as being suitable for a Gluten free diet. You would have to
be very very allergic to react to them.
Temprance


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Hu-mi Yu 19 March 2005 02:49:59 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:53:19 +0000
Temprance <spam.seula@spamdot­selkie.org.ukspam> wrote:
I have been in touch with Kelloggs UK.> Hordein from the malt is present in a very very minute quantity. It's> so little that the Coeliac Society list Kelloggs Cornflakes and Rice> Krispies as being suitable for a Gluten free diet.

The recommendations of the British Coeliac Society are controversial.
Among other things they allow de-glutin-ized wheat starch. Suppose
the process is OK. No one should trust that it
always works perfectly to remove 100% of the gluten, and that
there never is any contamination with un-de-glutin-ized flour.
My understanding is that the society derives income from the
de-glutin-izing process.
You would have to> be very very allergic to react to them. > Temprance

Well, nut oil is a lot more expensive than "vegetable oil", and so there
can't be much contamination. You would have to be very, very
allergic to react to it.

Why are you here, Temperance? To arrogantly dismiss other's problems, or
to provide support?

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Robert Hinterding 19 March 2005 06:00:45 permanent link ]
 The facts are: they are not gluten free, as malt is added.

The ELIZA test cannot realiably detect gluten in malt, it gives false
negatives.

Hence how do they (Kelloggs) know the level, unless they are using the
results fom the ELIZA test, which are no good anyway.

In Australia and some other countries, anything that contains malt
cannot be labelled as gluten free, as the ELIZA test is unrealiable
where malt is concerned. The benefit of doubt goes to the Coeliacs.

In the UK, the benefit of doubt goes to the manufacturers. The minority
of Coeliacs (minority means any thing less than 50%) who will get sick
eating it, GET SICK.
I have been in touch with Kelloggs UK.> Hordein from the malt is present in a very very minute quantity. It's> so little that the Coeliac Society list Kelloggs Cornflakes and Rice> Krispies as being suitable for a Gluten free diet. You would have to> be very very allergic to react to them. > Temprance>

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Jack Campin - bogus address 19 March 2005 06:28:43 permanent link ]
 
The ELIZA test cannot realiably detect gluten in malt, it gives> false negatives.

Neither can a police radar detector. That's not what the ELISA
test (yes it's spelt that way) is for.

Hence how do they (Kelloggs) know the level, unless they are using> the results fom the ELIZA test, which are no good anyway.

If you're making the product you know the level because you know
how much barley you're using. No need for analysis.

The question is whether a manufacturing process like Kellogg's
would ever result in a level low enough to be universally safe.
I'm with Bob on this one; I doubt it very much. If you can
taste the barley (which is the point of adding it) your immune
system can taste it too.

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Robert Hinterding 20 March 2005 06:14:19 permanent link ]
 Jack,

Your info about the ELISA tes is wrong - it is the standard test used to
detect the presence of gluten in food.

"The GLUTEN ELISA ASSAY used to test samples is a sensitive and specific
assay utilizing antibodies originally developed at the Wheat Research
Unit, Division of Plant Industry of C.S.I.R.O. in Australia. These
antibodies are specific for detection of omega-gliadin, which is used to
indicate the gluten content of foods."

Also, malted barley is quite different to barley, as the malting process
breaksdown (simplifies) the proteins to a reasonable extent. Coeliacs
still react to the (gluten) protein fragements, but the ELISA test is
very poor at detecting them. Hence most foods which have their gluten
derived only from malt products (eg Beer and Vegemite) will test as very
low gluten or gluten free.

Robert

Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:>>The ELIZA test cannot realiably detect gluten in malt, it gives>>false negatives.>
Neither can a police radar detector. That's not what the ELISA> test (yes it's spelt that way) is for.>
Hence how do they (Kelloggs) know the level, unless they are using>>the results fom the ELIZA test, which are no good anyway.>
If you're making the product you know the level because you know> how much barley you're using. No need for analysis.>
The question is whether a manufacturing process like Kellogg's> would ever result in a level low enough to be universally safe.> I'm with Bob on this one; I doubt it very much. If you can> taste the barley (which is the point of adding it) your immune> system can taste it too.>

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Mike Edwards 23 March 2005 04:05:48 permanent link ]
 
I have been in touch with Kelloggs UK.> > Hordein from the malt is present in a very very minute quantity. It's> > so little that the Coeliac Society list Kelloggs Cornflakes and Rice> > Krispies as being suitable for a Gluten free diet.

My biggest concern with Kelloggs products isn't so much the main
ingredients but the source of the 'added vitamins and minerals'.

When I lived in the US I was unwell for the first few months until I
found out that the minerals in the milk I was drinking got there through
the company adding fish oil without declaring it.

So far Kelloggs have ignored all my requests for confirmation on the
source of their added vitamins and minerals.
The recommendations of the British Coeliac Society are controversial. > Among other things they allow de-glutin-ized wheat starch. Suppose > the process is OK. No one should trust that it> always works perfectly to remove 100% of the gluten, and that> there never is any contamination with un-de-glutin-ized flour.> My understanding is that the society derives income from the > de-glutin-izing process.>
You would have to> > be very very allergic to react to them. > > Temprance>
Well, nut oil is a lot more expensive than "vegetable oil", and so there> can't be much contamination. You would have to be very, very> allergic to react to it.>

Erm, that isn't always true. Hence the reason 'vegetable oil' is quite
often nut oil. in lots of cases it is actually cheaper than pure
varieties of sunflower oil, etc.

The only difference being that certain processing treatments can make
some nut oils less likely to cause a reaction but not 100% guaranteed
not to cause one.

I always choose the products that declare the type of oil they use over
the ones that don't.
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Hu-mi Yu 23 March 2005 12:46:32 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:05:48 +0000
Mike Edwards <mike.edwards@rocks­oft.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Well, nut oil is a lot more expensive than "vegetable oil", and so there> > can't be much contamination. You would have to be very, very> > allergic to react to it.> >
Erm, that isn't always true. Hence the reason 'vegetable oil' is quite > often nut oil. in lots of cases it is actually cheaper than pure > varieties of sunflower oil, etc.

Read the whole thread again. I never said *always*. The context was
the machinery at the Lucozade factory being oiled with generic 'vegetable
oil' which might contain nut oil which might set off a nut allergy in
a particular poster if they were very very allergic.

This was in response to her remark that implied it didn't matter if some
of us became ill from the barley malt in rice krispies because
we would have to be very very allergic to barley.
The only difference being that certain processing treatments can make > some nut oils less likely to cause a reaction but not 100% guaranteed > not to cause one.

You mistook my remark for a straight line.
I always choose the products that declare the type of oil they use over > the ones that don't.

So do I. They are more expensive than the ones that say
'vegetable oil'. The only 'nut' oil that comes close is peanut
oil, and peanuts aren't nuts but legumes.

I challenge you to name a nut oil that can be found for the same price
as generic vegetable oil.

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Mike Edwards 23 March 2005 23:52:25 permanent link ]
 
Well, nut oil is a lot more expensive than "vegetable oil", and so there> > > can't be much contamination. You would have to be very, very> > > allergic to react to it.> > >
Erm, that isn't always true. Hence the reason 'vegetable oil' is quite > > often nut oil. in lots of cases it is actually cheaper than pure > > varieties of sunflower oil, etc.>
Read the whole thread again. I never said *always*. The context was> the machinery at the Lucozade factory being oiled with generic 'vegetable> oil' which might contain nut oil which might set off a nut allergy in> a particular poster if they were very very allergic.>
This was in response to her remark that implied it didn't matter if some> of us became ill from the barley malt in rice krispies because> we would have to be very very allergic to barley.

That's very nice for you but if *you* read *my* post again you will see
I was commenting about the suggestion that nut oil is more expensive
than 'vegetable oil'.

I was pointing out that for industrial purposes some times nut oil is
cheapest and some times it's not. Either way the statement that <nut oil
is a lot more expensive than "vegetable oil"> is not true!
The only difference being that certain processing treatments can make > > some nut oils less likely to cause a reaction but not 100% guaranteed > > not to cause one.>
You mistook my remark for a straight line.

Eh?
I always choose the products that declare the type of oil they use over > > the ones that don't.>
So do I. They are more expensive than the ones that say > 'vegetable oil'. The only 'nut' oil that comes close is peanut> oil, and peanuts aren't nuts but legumes.>
I challenge you to name a nut oil that can be found for the same price > as generic vegetable oil.

That isn't the point. What you and I can buy is completely different to
what an industrial organisation can buy.
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Hu-mi Yu 24 March 2005 06:26:55 permanent link ]
 On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:52:25 +0000
Mike Edwards <mike.edwards@rocks­oft.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I was pointing out that for industrial purposes some times nut oil is > cheapest and some times it's not. Either way the statement that <nut oil > is a lot more expensive than "vegetable oil"> is not true!
I challenge you to name a nut oil that can be found for the same price > > as generic vegetable oil.>
That isn't the point.

Humbug! If you are going to keep changing the subject, you can just go
sit in a corner and argue with yourself.

I do sympathize with your difficulty in obtaining information from
Kellog, but IMO no response is preferable to handing it over to
a PR spokesperson. Their job is to be so ignorant that they need
only say nice things. When I find it again, I will post the response
I recieved from the rice grower's association about enrichment in rice.

To keep you from living in suspense, I will simply state that white
rice products in the US are "enriched" and the "added vitamins and
minerals" are most likely the US government mandated enrichment. The raw
material for this is often brewing scum, which contains all the things that
might be in beer. When it has been blessed by a private firm run
as a sideline by FDA employees, then it becomes enrichment.

So there is a second reason to avoid Rice Krispies, aside from the malt.
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Hu-mi Yu 31 March 2005 13:02:05 permanent link ]
 On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:38:46 -0800
Hu-Mi Yu <mcbobREMOVE@attglo­bal.net> wrote:
By the time he arrived in Michigan, he was delirious. They put him in> the hospital, and he was soon dead. The doctors claimed he died of> whooping cough.

My comment here is not about the quality of care that my grandfather
received. I assume it was excellent. Doctors need an accurate history to
make a valid diagnosis, and this is what was missing here. My grandfather
never admitted he had tuberculosis because he would have been
under quarantine. Boarding a bus and leaving for Michigan was illegal
for him under California law.

I do not know how much his brother knew about the allergies. It seemed
as though the two of them had not spoken to each other for decades, so I
expect he didn't know. My grandfather's diet was too difficult to explain
in a few minutes. He needed kitchen privileges to survive. He made
discrete inquiries at a sanitarium, and he was told it was imposible.
Part of the treatment was the well balanced diet they provided.

My foster family kept me incommunicado; they were rabidly anti-Catholic.
I was not allowed to receive letters or phone calls.
The letters I wrote were probably never mailed. I didn't even know my
grandfather had died until years later. Mentioning my mother was grounds
for a beating. My new family insisted my mother was shot in Auschwitz.
When I was fourteen they began drugging me to help me forget. Every time
they drug me to make me forget, my lose track of my allergies for
a few years. That is when the doctors come up with clever reasons
for my perpetual cold. One doctor pulled out my tonsils, and another
put an extra bend in my nose.

It is doctors in general that you have to be careful about. They go
over things too fast, and they can do a lot of harm if you let them.


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Akua123 7 April 2005 05:34:27 permanent link ]
 I response to the "mild celiac" - beware the thought that if you don't
have a reaction, you can eat it. You can not have an obvious reaction
and still be doing internal damage. Also, it's not a food allergy, but
an intolerance.

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Guest 21 May 2008 18:22:53 permanent link ]
 I am not celiac but I am definitely gluten intolerant. The longer I eliminate gluten from my diet, the more sensitive I have become to any trace of gluten that sneaks into my diet. Well, I just had a bowl of Kellogg's cornflakes despite reading in their list of ingredients it contains "malt flavoring". Almost immediately I got a stomach ache. Then I had to use the bathroom and it was the typical diareah (sp) I get when I eat gluten. Pardon me for being so specific. Now I will probably have that dull stomachache for the rest of the day and into tomorrow. I won't eat Kellogg's cornflakes again.
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