I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive dyskinesia. I fear that I have been given a Hobson's choice when it comes to medication. Take it or lose your job...
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Polyrhythmia wrote:> I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive> dyskinesia. I fear that I have been given a Hobson's choice when it comes> to medication. Take it or lose your job...
Its not in the family of traditional phenothiazines that I can tell...*but* it is basically a neuroleptic. Synonyms for neuroleptic are antipsychotic, traquilizer (heavy duty ones)and FTMP "psychotropic" (heavy duty again). Neuroleptics are dangerous/block nervous system/destroying it. Seroquel is most commonly referred to as a "psychotropic" and not always listed in a list of neuroleptic drugs. Anyhow, neuroleptics are "institution" drugs. They are also used to put polar bears and savannah creatures to sleep for ear tagging IIRC as well.
Seroquel DOES produce tardive dyskinesia...permanent damage at that. So...if you take "tranquilizer darts" long enough, they'll cause major problems yes.
H
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The V person 14 January 2005 21:02:13 [ permanent link ]
"Polyrhythmia" <daveleaf@LISCO.com> wrote in message news:41e76780$1_2@127.0.0.1...>I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive >dyskinesia. I fear that I have been given a Hobson's choice when it comes >to medication. Take it or lose your job...
I don't see how an employer can enforce something as you describe, it strikes me as being illegal.
In article <1105691014.705879.40520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Hylander wrote:
Its not in the family of traditional phenothiazines that I can> tell...*but* it is basically a neuroleptic. Synonyms for neuroleptic> are antipsychotic,
Yes.
traquilizer (heavy duty ones)
"Major tranquilizer."
and FTMP "psychotropic"
Psychotropic just means psychiatric drug I think.
system/destroying it. Seroquel is most commonly referred to as a> "psychotropic" and not always listed in a list of neuroleptic drugs.
It's usually listed as an atypical neuroleptic.
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sggaB wrote:> In article <1105691014.705879.40520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Hylander wrote:>
Its not in the family of traditional phenothiazines that I can> > tell...*but* it is basically a neuroleptic. Synonyms for
neuroleptic> > are antipsychotic,>
Yes.>
traquilizer (heavy duty ones)>
"Major tranquilizer."
IIRC, and I apologize if this is personal but I beleive you have some rather definite first hand knowledge here too.
and FTMP "psychotropic">
Psychotropic just means psychiatric drug I think.
Pretty much. I think it means affecting brain to include psychological processing effects. ?? (My guess is you know more than I do here and perhaps being modest :>).
system/destroying it. Seroquel is most commonly referred to as a> > "psychotropic" and not always listed in a list of neuroleptic
drugs.>
It's usually listed as an atypical neuroleptic.
Ah. I think I've run into that term before while reading on it....yes. H
In article <1105765594.685436.188490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Hylander wrote:
traquilizer (heavy duty ones)
"Major tranquilizer."
IIRC, and I apologize if this is personal but I beleive you have some> rather definite first hand knowledge here too.
Yes.
But that's actually the word for the category. Major tranquilizer is a synonym for neuroleptic/"anti-psychotic"/all that, minor tranquilizer is a term for things like Valium and Ativan and so forth.
and FTMP "psychotropic"
Psychotropic just means psychiatric drug I think.
Pretty much. I think it means affecting brain to include psychological> processing effects. ?? (My guess is you know more than I do here and> perhaps being modest :>).
I never looked up the exact meaning of that word. I *think* it refers to all psychiatric drugs, as in it would refer to both neuroleptics and antidepressants as well as just about anything else used by psychiatry.
system/destroying it. Seroquel is most commonly referred to as a>> > "psychotropic" and not always listed in a list of neuroleptic> drugs.>>
It's usually listed as an atypical neuroleptic.
Ah. I think I've run into that term before while reading on it....yes.
Or "atypical anti-psychotic" sometimes also.
Atypical just means it's got a few things different than the original ones. They used to claim (still do in some cases) that atypical neuroleptics didn't cause tardive dyskinesia or other similar effects, but it turns out they not only can cause those effects but a whole *new* set of unpleasant effects as well. And if I didn't know that, say, Risperdal, was an atypical neuroleptic, I *never* would have guessed it was any different than Stelazine or something.
A better classification scheme for neuroleptics (in addition to the one that already exists) is the continuum between high-potency and low-potency neuroleptics. Low-potency ones (Thorazine is an example) tend to have more sedation and cognitive effects as opposed to Parkinsonian-like effects (although they can have both), and high-potency ones (Haldol is an example) tend to have more Parkinsonian-like effects as opposed to sedation and cognitive effects (although they can have both).
This, while largely uncritical of them, talks about that distinction:
When they talk about tendencies, they're really talking about *tendencies*. Risperdal still caused me severe extrapyramidal reactions, more severe than anything besides Haldol and Prolixin, despite the fact that it's supposedly (?) less likely to do things like that.
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Polyrhythmia 15 January 2005 10:31:09 [ permanent link ]
Just the thought of having to take meds, which I never had to take before, has me very upset. I am not at all happy about being forced to take Seroquel. I am going to refuse to take it, and going to look for another psych. and when the house is finally sold, look for another job. As the brain is one of the few things I have going for me, I hate to mess it up with such drugs. Managing the situation would have been a far better way to deal with the melting down. So many people put blind faith in what doctors say. Right now, I am in a quandary. I feel trapped. Yep, it's a small company, and basically, the management refuses to believe that I could be autistic. You know the stereotypes, the nonverbal, rocking, *child*. And the thought of losing control over my own life has me really feeling, um, paranoid. But I am sure not psychotic. I am ready to give up this job if that's what it takes to get back my self-determination. DAVE.
sggaB wrote:> In article <1105765594.685436.188490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Hylander> wrote:>
traquilizer (heavy duty ones)>
"Major tranquilizer.">
IIRC, and I apologize if this is personal but I beleive you have
some> > rather definite first hand knowledge here too.>
Yes.>
But that's actually the word for the category. Major tranquilizer is
synonym for neuroleptic/"anti-psychotic"/all that, minor tranquilizer
a term for things like Valium and Ativan and so forth.
Thanks for the information. I read up some more. Anyhow, WRT to tranquilizers, I do know that simple Valiums have not had anywhere near the effects of the "major tranquilizers" on me. While valium isn't totally free of problems, it has benefitted me and I haven't had the "opposite effect" (ie: increased aggravation instead of sedation) some autistics have had with it that is often reported (that also doesn't mean anything to me as far as my being autistic either IMHO).
I also take the herbal form (Valerian) more often than the pure form which I think helps me to avoid some long term effects from long term use. (I don't know why but I've observed it...). It often seems the simpler/first discovered (I think...and for some unknown reason) drugs work well with me. ie: aspirin, not tylenol, penicillan not amoxicillan, valium not ativan. Also, the more natural the better in terms of nasty side effect with the ones I listed. (although not true of every natural product I've taken)
One thing I worry about is autistics who already may have facial tics and an already "low seizure" threshold, taking these drugs and finding themselves with irrecoverably set back with a new medical condition/disorder??. (namely the tardive dyskenesia and epilepsy/other seizure type "brain overload" conditions.) That and the usual impaired liver and kidney functions and other "nerve damage" symptoms...some of which can be deadly/cause death more easily. (ie: apnea/tongue swallowing/epiglottal dysfunction (IIRC)) Getting deja vu for some reason...perhaps I should stop and rest.
"Polyrhythmia" <daveleaf@LISCO.com> wrote in message news:41e76780$1_2@127.0.0.1...> I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive> dyskinesia. I fear that I have been given a Hobson's choice when it comes> to medication. Take it or lose your job...> Here is another article about antipsychotics, which discusses their side-effects. If I was on seroquel my main worry would be that I was too sedated to work. Why do you need to take it anyway?
"Polyrhythmia" <daveleaf@LISCO.com> wrote in message news:41e816b4$1_2@127.0.0.1...> I think I may have to do the "buy and lie" approach. There is nothing that> says if I buy the drug that I have to take it, and truthfully the psych> won't know if I have been or not. I just hate the idea of being forced to> take a drug that can cause brain damage. And then there is the cost of the> drugs.
If you're going to do this, why not ask for something cheap and nasty ie one of the old drugs.
