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is seroquel (quetiapine) a neuroleptic?

Polyrhythmia 16 January 2005 08:23:50
 I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive
dyskinesia. I fear that I have been given a Hobson's choice when it comes
to medication. Take it or lose your job...




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Hylander 14 January 2005 12:23:34 [ permanent link ]
 
Polyrhythmia wrote:> I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive> dyskinesia. I fear that I have been given a Hobson's choice when it
comes> to medication. Take it or lose your job...

Its not in the family of traditional phenothiazines that I can
tell...*but* it is basically a neuroleptic. Synonyms for neuroleptic
are antipsychotic, traquilizer (heavy duty ones)and FTMP "psychotropic"
(heavy duty again). Neuroleptics are dangerous/block nervous
system/destroying it. Seroquel is most commonly referred to as a
"psychotropic" and not always listed in a list of neuroleptic drugs.
Anyhow, neuroleptics are "institution" drugs. They are also used to put
polar bears and savannah creatures to sleep for ear tagging IIRC as
well.

Seroquel DOES produce tardive dyskinesia...perman­ent damage at that.
So...if you take "tranquilizer darts" long enough, they'll cause major
problems yes.

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The V person 14 January 2005 21:02:13 [ permanent link ]
 
"Polyrhythmia" <daveleaf@LISCO.com­> wrote in message
news:41e76780$1_2@1­27.0.0.1...>I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive >dyskinesia. I fear that I have been given a Hobson's choice when it comes >to medication. Take it or lose your job...

I don't see how an employer can enforce something
as you describe, it strikes me as being illegal.

Heres a web page all about seroquel
http://www.rxlist.c­om/cgi/generic2/quet­iap.htm


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sggaB 15 January 2005 03:50:17 [ permanent link ]
 In article <41e76780$1_2@127.0­.0.1>, Polyrhythmia wrote:> I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive > dyskinesia.

Yes.

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sggaB 15 January 2005 03:51:17 [ permanent link ]
 In article <1105691014.705879.­40520@f14g2000cwb.go­oglegroups.com>, Hylander wrote:
Its not in the family of traditional phenothiazines that I can> tell...*but* it is basically a neuroleptic. Synonyms for neuroleptic> are antipsychotic,

Yes.
traquilizer (heavy duty ones)

"Major tranquilizer."
and FTMP "psychotropic"

Psychotropic just means psychiatric drug I think.
system/destroying it. Seroquel is most commonly referred to as a> "psychotropic" and not always listed in a list of neuroleptic drugs.

It's usually listed as an atypical neuroleptic.

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Hylander 15 January 2005 09:06:34 [ permanent link ]
 
sggaB wrote:> In article <1105691014.705879.­40520@f14g2000cwb.go­oglegroups.com>,
Hylander wrote:>
Its not in the family of traditional phenothiazines that I can> > tell...*but* it is basically a neuroleptic. Synonyms for
neuroleptic> > are antipsychotic,>
Yes.>
traquilizer (heavy duty ones)>
"Major tranquilizer."

IIRC, and I apologize if this is personal but I beleive you have some
rather definite first hand knowledge here too.
and FTMP "psychotropic">
Psychotropic just means psychiatric drug I think.

Pretty much. I think it means affecting brain to include psychological
processing effects. ?? (My guess is you know more than I do here and
perhaps being modest :>).
system/destroying it. Seroquel is most commonly referred to as a> > "psychotropic" and not always listed in a list of neuroleptic
drugs.>
It's usually listed as an atypical neuroleptic.

Ah. I think I've run into that term before while reading on it....yes.
H

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sggaB 15 January 2005 09:31:46 [ permanent link ]
 In article <1105765594.685436.­188490@f14g2000cwb.g­ooglegroups.com>, Hylander
wrote:
traquilizer (heavy duty ones)
"Major tranquilizer."
IIRC, and I apologize if this is personal but I beleive you have some> rather definite first hand knowledge here too.

Yes.

But that's actually the word for the category. Major tranquilizer is a
synonym for neuroleptic/"anti-p­sychotic"/all that, minor tranquilizer is
a term for things like Valium and Ativan and so forth.
and FTMP "psychotropic"
Psychotropic just means psychiatric drug I think.
Pretty much. I think it means affecting brain to include psychological> processing effects. ?? (My guess is you know more than I do here and> perhaps being modest :>).

I never looked up the exact meaning of that word. I *think* it refers
to all psychiatric drugs, as in it would refer to both neuroleptics and
antidepressants as well as just about anything else used by psychiatry.
system/destroying it. Seroquel is most commonly referred to as a>> > "psychotropic" and not always listed in a list of neuroleptic> drugs.>>
It's usually listed as an atypical neuroleptic.
Ah. I think I've run into that term before while reading on it....yes.

Or "atypical anti-psychotic" sometimes also.

Atypical just means it's got a few things different than the original
ones. They used to claim (still do in some cases) that atypical
neuroleptics didn't cause tardive dyskinesia or other similar effects,
but it turns out they not only can cause those effects but a whole *new*
set of unpleasant effects as well. And if I didn't know that, say,
Risperdal, was an atypical neuroleptic, I *never* would have guessed it
was any different than Stelazine or something.

A better classification scheme for neuroleptics (in addition to the one
that already exists) is the continuum between high-potency and low-potency
neuroleptics. Low-potency ones (Thorazine is an example) tend to have
more sedation and cognitive effects as opposed to Parkinsonian-like effects
(although they can have both), and high-potency ones (Haldol is an example)
tend to have more Parkinsonian-like effects as opposed to sedation and
cognitive effects (although they can have both).

This, while largely uncritical of them, talks about that distinction:

http://members.aol.­com/leonardjk/drugs.­htm

When they talk about tendencies, they're really talking about *tendencies*.
Risperdal still caused me severe extrapyramidal reactions, more severe than
anything besides Haldol and Prolixin, despite the fact that it's supposedly
(?) less likely to do things like that.

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Polyrhythmia 15 January 2005 10:31:09 [ permanent link ]
 Just the thought of having to take meds, which I never had to take before,
has me very upset. I am not at all happy about being forced to take
Seroquel. I am going to refuse to take it, and going to look for another
psych. and when the house is finally sold, look for another job. As the
brain is one of the few things I have going for me, I hate to mess it up
with such drugs. Managing the situation would have been a far better way to
deal with the melting down. So many people put blind faith in what doctors
say. Right now, I am in a quandary. I feel trapped. Yep, it's a small
company, and basically, the management refuses to believe that I could be
autistic. You know the stereotypes, the nonverbal, rocking, *child*. And
the thought of losing control over my own life has me really feeling, um,
paranoid. But I am sure not psychotic. I am ready to give up this job if
that's what it takes to get back my self-determination.­ DAVE.


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Hylander 15 January 2005 10:33:26 [ permanent link ]
 
sggaB wrote:> In article <1105765594.685436.­188490@f14g2000cwb.g­ooglegroups.com>,
Hylander> wrote:>
traquilizer (heavy duty ones)>
"Major tranquilizer.">
IIRC, and I apologize if this is personal but I beleive you have
some> > rather definite first hand knowledge here too.>
Yes.>
But that's actually the word for the category. Major tranquilizer is
synonym for neuroleptic/"anti-p­sychotic"/all that, minor tranquilizer
a term for things like Valium and Ativan and so forth.

Thanks for the information. I read up some more. Anyhow, WRT to
tranquilizers, I do know that simple Valiums have not had anywhere near
the effects of the "major tranquilizers" on me. While valium isn't
totally free of problems, it has benefitted me and I haven't had the
"opposite effect" (ie: increased aggravation instead of sedation) some
autistics have had with it that is often reported (that also doesn't
mean anything to me as far as my being autistic either IMHO).

I also take the herbal form (Valerian) more often than the pure form
which I think helps me to avoid some long term effects from long term
use. (I don't know why but I've observed it...). It often seems the
simpler/first discovered (I think...and for some unknown reason) drugs
work well with me. ie: aspirin, not tylenol, penicillan not
amoxicillan, valium not ativan. Also, the more natural the better in
terms of nasty side effect with the ones I listed. (although not true
of every natural product I've taken)

One thing I worry about is autistics who already may have facial tics
and an already "low seizure" threshold, taking these drugs and finding
themselves with irrecoverably set back with a new medical
condition/disorder?­?. (namely the tardive dyskenesia and epilepsy/other
seizure type "brain overload" conditions.) That and the usual impaired
liver and kidney functions and other "nerve damage" symptoms...some of
which can be deadly/cause death more easily. (ie: apnea/tongue
swallowing/epiglott­al dysfunction (IIRC))
Getting deja vu for some reason...perhaps I should stop and rest.

H

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Tinted 15 January 2005 11:03:00 [ permanent link ]
 
"Polyrhythmia" <daveleaf@LISCO.com­> wrote in message news:41e76780$1_2@1­27.0.0.1...> I was wondering if Seroquel can cause brain damage such as tardive> dyskinesia. I fear that I have been given a Hobson's choice when it comes> to medication. Take it or lose your job...>
Here is another article about antipsychotics, which discusses their side-effects. If I was on
seroquel my main worry would be that I was too sedated to work. Why do you need to take it anyway?

http://www.australi­anprescriber.com/ind­ex.php?content=/maga­zines/vol27no6/146_a­ntipsychotic.htm

tinted


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Tinted 15 January 2005 11:04:52 [ permanent link ]
 
"Polyrhythmia" <daveleaf@LISCO.com­> wrote in message news:41e816b4$1_2@1­27.0.0.1...> I think I may have to do the "buy and lie" approach. There is nothing that> says if I buy the drug that I have to take it, and truthfully the psych> won't know if I have been or not. I just hate the idea of being forced to> take a drug that can cause brain damage. And then there is the cost of the> drugs.

If you're going to do this, why not ask for something cheap and nasty ie one of the old drugs.

tinted


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