Anyone have any tips on how to ensure the highest probability of passing a methacholine challenge test without displaying any asthmatic symptoms, I've heard they have a 10% margin of error for displaying false positives so I want to do everything possible to boost my chances of not being labelled an asthmatic. Thanks!
On 11 Apr 2006 16:44:07 -0700, wev162@yahoo.com wrote:
Anyone have any tips on how to ensure the highest probability of>passing a methacholine challenge test without displaying any asthmatic>symptoms, I've heard they have a 10% margin of error for displaying>false positives so I want to do everything possible to boost my chances>of not being labelled an asthmatic. Thanks!
<wev162@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144799047.741817.286980@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Anyone have any tips on how to ensure the highest probability of> passing a methacholine challenge test without displaying any asthmatic> symptoms, I've heard they have a 10% margin of error for displaying> false positives so I want to do everything possible to boost my chances> of not being labelled an asthmatic. Thanks!
If you don't have the disease, you won't need to worry about the label;
if you do have the disease, the label will be the least of your worries...
Richard Friedel 12 April 2006 10:41:04 [ permanent link ]
wev162@yahoo.com wrote:> Anyone have any tips on how to ensure the highest probability of> passing a methacholine challenge test without displaying any asthmatic> symptoms, I've heard they have a 10% margin of error for displaying> false positives so I want to do everything possible to boost my chances> of not being labelled an asthmatic. Thanks!
According to recent research (Dr. Gwen Skloot of Johns Hopkins Medical Institution) a non-asthmatic reacts like an asthmatic in a challenge test if prevented from taking a deep inspiration, i. e. whether the test is passed or not depends on taking a deep breath.
Energetic alternate nostril breathing (nadi sodhani) might with some patient training do the trick in an asthmatic (and stop asthma) because then genuine deep breathing might become available. In alternate nostril breathing the resistance is doubled. If anything needs to be labelled it's probably the asthma docs for not understanding the mechanism behind taking a deep breath, i. e. a certain amount of airflow resistance in the nose or throat. They don't see any sense in airflow resistance as such in the respiratory system
So it would healthy and not irresponsible to "cheat" the test in this way Peace be with ye, Richard Friedel
What would really be the best would be to be accurately diagnosed. Being correctly classified as asthmatic would help get the treatment you need. Being correctly diagnosed as not asthmatic would help the docs figure out what really is going on. The worst would be being misdiagnosed either way.
If your first priority is really to not be termed an asthmatic then the best strategy would be to not take the test and stay away from doctors. I'm not sure that would be best for your health but it would accomplish the goal.
Richard Friedel 13 April 2006 10:36:05 [ permanent link ]
Nobody is suggesting that avoiding all doctors would be healthy.
It's just that they don't generally understand breathing in an important respect.
Googling with the words "work of breathing" will show that there is a medical craze for minimizing it.
This makes about as much sense as attempting to minimize the rpm of a car engine to increase its horsepower. Experimenting with trying to breathe with the mouth and throat as wide open as possible and the tongue protruded will show that breathing is promoted (not hindered) by placing a finger across the gap between the tongue and the upper lip. The head is tilted back or the person lies on his back. The possible depth of breathing increases with a narrower gap.
Therefore some "work of breathing" is necessary for health and cannot be regarded as a separate option.
Hence the medical view of respiratory mechanics is misleading and simple experimenting gets us back to common sense about the value of taking a deep breath with a feeling of airflow resistance in the nose.
Getting a square deal from a doctor on asthma would seem to mean learning to take a deep breath as is implied (but not explicitly stated) in the research of Gwen Skloot, as the highest priority. Regards, Richard Friedel
On 12 Apr 2006 09:20:55 -0700, "00doc" <00doc@comcast.net> wrote:
What would really be the best would be to be accurately diagnosed.>Being correctly classified as asthmatic would help get the treatment>you need. Being correctly diagnosed as not asthmatic would help the>docs figure out what really is going on. The worst would be being>misdiagnosed either way.>
If your first priority is really to not be termed an asthmatic then the>best strategy would be to not take the test and stay away from doctors.>I'm not sure that would be best for your health but it would accomplish>the goal.
I want to bring you up-to-date on my health problems. I think I'm finally getting somewhere. Dr. Uhren, my family doctor, has sent me to several specialists and I wanted you to know everything they've been telling me.
Dr. Looney, Psychologist, found no psychological problems, sort of. That was a strange visit. He only asked me two questions and the exam was over. I don't know how he learned so much when all he wanted to know was if I had a computer and how much time I spend reading Richard Freidel online. Dr. Blatter, Urologist, gave me a good report. He did make the suggestion that I drink less soda and more water. He said he was having a lot of urinary tract infections among his patients who are internet users; especially those used to filtering Freidel on a regular basis. Dr. Aikenhead, Allergist, said my headaches were being caused by eye fatigue, not by inverted Kama Sutra postures I picked up online.
Dr. Bonebrake, Chiropractor, gave me a treatment which should help my neck. I'm suppose to get an adjustable chair to use at the computer and set closer to my monitor. Dr. Drewel, Dentist, found that I had an infected tooth. He has me scheduled for a root canal with Dr. Filler on Monday. Dr. Whitehead, Dermatologist, says my pale skin color wasn't a health issue, just a lack of sun. Now if I can just get enough sun, that just might kill my dust mites...
"Bob" <drbob4prevention@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:lhgt32dkur15da0tfbau5oj5kis4ucn1s1@4ax.com...> On 13 Apr 2006 13:46:34 -0700, "aroberts" <a-roberts1@comcast.net>> wrote:>
Googling "Richard Friedel is a loon" shows over 19,000 hits.>>
I would have thought it might be more. Keep trying.>>
I believe that he was frightened by bellows at an early age.>
"Dr. Bonebrake, Chiropractor, gave me a treatment which should help my neck."
Who would believe there might be a chiropractor with this name? Next time try to be more creative.
A few years ago JAMA (I think) had an article listing ironic/humorous pairings of doctors specialties and names. If you could find it maybe you guys could form some kind of support group.
On 14 Apr 2006 09:40:38 -0700, "00doc" <00doc@comcast.net> wrote:
"Dr. Bonebrake, Chiropractor, gave me a treatment which should help my>neck.">
Who would believe there might be a chiropractor with this name? Next>time try to be more creative.
There's my cousin, Dr. Vertebrake, my associates Dr.Torquebrake, Dr. Discobone (boy, can he dance!) and Dr. Neckacre. A real salty pack of crackers...
A few years ago JAMA (I think) had an article listing ironic/humorous>pairings of doctors specialties and names. If you could find it maybe>you guys could form some kind of support group.
Here's a list from u.arizona, harvested from MEDLIB-L:
Richard Friedel 15 April 2006 10:16:06 [ permanent link ]
Thanks Don't forget Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and possibly Prof. Subluxator
And last but not least: Stephen M. Perle, D.C., M.S. American Chiropractic Association, Faculty Council Chairperson Professor of Clinical Sciences Adjunct Professor of Mechanical Engineering University of Bridgeport Bridgeport, CT 06604 USA www.bridgeport.edu/~perle Ethics Articles www.chiroweb.com/columnist/perle
I need to pass my methacholine challenge to go back into the military... anyone have any tips to pass it? I don't need crap answers, just answers that will genuinely help me pass to re-enlist. Thanks for any help that you can give. - Robert, USMC (once and hopefully again)
