"Demise" <demise@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:be657617.0412161658.7aade984@posting.google.com...> it was the drugs for me, first started on cannabis, speed, then e's> had my first panic attack in a pub, now get em in social situaions.
same thing for me, had my first panic attack at a metallica concert. I was on coke, mush and smoking pot. they never went away after that.
Philip Peters 17 December 2004 17:02:21 [ permanent link ]
Johnny wrote:
"Demise" <demise@btinternet.com> wrote in message > news:be657617.0412161658.7aade984@posting.google.com...>
it was the drugs for me, first started on cannabis, speed, then e's>>had my first panic attack in a pub, now get em in social situaions.>
same thing for me, had my first panic attack at a metallica concert. I was > on coke, mush and smoking pot. they never went away after that.
I had my first PA in 1968 while on a four-day trip on a nasty hallucinogen known as *STP*, one of the first *designer drugs*. Years later I read an interview with its inventor who said that STP was supposed to mean *Serenity Tranquillity Peace*. Up till then I always thought it was named after the *motor oil*. Its LSD-like chemical structure (only a lot stronger) was obviously laced with a lot of speed, at least this was the case with the stuff I got. I didn't mind the bad trip all that much, I was an experienced drug user (LOL) and expected the whole thing to stop when the drug would have worn off. That did indeed happen but a month later I got a *flashback* while not on any drug and this was the beginning of my PD.
"Philip Peters" <philip@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message news:cpulci$5mf$1@news.cistron.nl...> Johnny wrote:>
"Demise" <demise@btinternet.com> wrote in message >> news:be657617.0412161658.7aade984@posting.google.com...>>
it was the drugs for me, first started on cannabis, speed, then e's>>>had my first panic attack in a pub, now get em in social situaions.>>
same thing for me, had my first panic attack at a metallica concert. I >> was on coke, mush and smoking pot. they never went away after that.>
I had my first PA in 1968 while on a four-day trip on a nasty hallucinogen > known as *STP*, one of the first *designer drugs*. Years later I read an > interview with its inventor who said that STP was supposed to mean > *Serenity Tranquillity Peace*. Up till then I always thought it was named > after the *motor oil*. Its LSD-like chemical structure (only a lot > stronger) was obviously laced with a lot of speed, at least this was the > case with the stuff I got. I didn't mind the bad trip all that much, I was > an experienced drug user (LOL) and expected the whole thing to stop when > the drug would have worn off. That did indeed happen but a month later I > got a *flashback* while not on any drug and this was the beginning of my > PD.>
Philip
Sometimes I wonder if that fucking anxiety disorder is a result of all the hard and soft drugs I took while I was young and stupid.
Philip Peters 18 December 2004 16:42:51 [ permanent link ]
Johnny wrote:
"Philip Peters" <philip@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message > news:cpulci$5mf$1@news.cistron.nl...>
Johnny wrote:>>
"Demise" <demise@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>news:be657617.0412161658.7aade984@posting.google.com...>>>
it was the drugs for me, first started on cannabis, speed, then e's>>>>had my first panic attack in a pub, now get em in social situaions.>>>
same thing for me, had my first panic attack at a metallica concert. I >>>was on coke, mush and smoking pot. they never went away after that.>>
I had my first PA in 1968 while on a four-day trip on a nasty hallucinogen >>known as *STP*, one of the first *designer drugs*. Years later I read an >>interview with its inventor who said that STP was supposed to mean >>*Serenity Tranquillity Peace*. Up till then I always thought it was named >>after the *motor oil*. Its LSD-like chemical structure (only a lot >>stronger) was obviously laced with a lot of speed, at least this was the >>case with the stuff I got. I didn't mind the bad trip all that much, I was >>an experienced drug user (LOL) and expected the whole thing to stop when >>the drug would have worn off. That did indeed happen but a month later I >>got a *flashback* while not on any drug and this was the beginning of my >>PD.>>
Philip>
Sometimes I wonder if that fucking anxiety disorder is a result of all the > hard and soft drugs I took while I was young and stupid.
In my case I believe that it was a *trigger* but I also have a predisposition for PD and can remember a number of episodes going back to early childhood which I can see now were panic attacks. Plus there's some of it in the family.
ditto that Phillip, I think the same thing about my own situation. Except that all I ever really did was smoke some marijuana in college; I did note though, that after the fun part was done, I was acutely anxious afterward, and didn't like that, so didn't keep that hobby for very long.
Gary
"Philip Peters" <philip@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message news:cq18k7$e3p$4@news.cistron.nl...> Johnny wrote:>
"Philip Peters" <philip@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message >> news:cpulci$5mf$1@news.cistron.nl...>>
Johnny wrote:>>>
"Demise" <demise@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>news:be657617.0412161658.7aade984@posting.google.com...>>>>
it was the drugs for me, first started on cannabis, speed, then e's>>>>>had my first panic attack in a pub, now get em in social situaions.>>>>
same thing for me, had my first panic attack at a metallica concert. I >>>>was on coke, mush and smoking pot. they never went away after that.>>>
I had my first PA in 1968 while on a four-day trip on a nasty >>>hallucinogen known as *STP*, one of the first *designer drugs*. Years >>>later I read an interview with its inventor who said that STP was >>>supposed to mean *Serenity Tranquillity Peace*. Up till then I always >>>thought it was named after the *motor oil*. Its LSD-like chemical >>>structure (only a lot stronger) was obviously laced with a lot of speed, >>>at least this was the case with the stuff I got. I didn't mind the bad >>>trip all that much, I was an experienced drug user (LOL) and expected the >>>whole thing to stop when the drug would have worn off. That did indeed >>>happen but a month later I got a *flashback* while not on any drug and >>>this was the beginning of my PD.>>>
Philip>>
Sometimes I wonder if that fucking anxiety disorder is a result of all >> the hard and soft drugs I took while I was young and stupid.>
In my case I believe that it was a *trigger* but I also have a > predisposition for PD and can remember a number of episodes going back to > early childhood which I can see now were panic attacks. Plus there's some > of it in the family.>
"Philip Peters" <philip@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message news:cq18k7$e3p$4@news.cistron.nl...> Johnny wrote:>
"Philip Peters" <philip@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message >> news:cpulci$5mf$1@news.cistron.nl...>>
Johnny wrote:>>>
"Demise" <demise@btinternet.com> wrote in message >>>>news:be657617.0412161658.7aade984@posting.google.com...>>>>
it was the drugs for me, first started on cannabis, speed, then e's>>>>>had my first panic attack in a pub, now get em in social situaions.>>>>
same thing for me, had my first panic attack at a metallica concert. I >>>>was on coke, mush and smoking pot. they never went away after that.>>>
I had my first PA in 1968 while on a four-day trip on a nasty >>>hallucinogen known as *STP*, one of the first *designer drugs*. Years >>>later I read an interview with its inventor who said that STP was >>>supposed to mean *Serenity Tranquillity Peace*. Up till then I always >>>thought it was named after the *motor oil*. Its LSD-like chemical >>>structure (only a lot stronger) was obviously laced with a lot of speed, >>>at least this was the case with the stuff I got. I didn't mind the bad >>>trip all that much, I was an experienced drug user (LOL) and expected the >>>whole thing to stop when the drug would have worn off. That did indeed >>>happen but a month later I got a *flashback* while not on any drug and >>>this was the beginning of my PD.>>>
Philip>>
Sometimes I wonder if that fucking anxiety disorder is a result of all >> the hard and soft drugs I took while I was young and stupid.>
In my case I believe that it was a *trigger* but I also have a > predisposition for PD and can remember a number of episodes going back to > early childhood which I can see now were panic attacks. Plus there's some > of it in the family.>
That did >indeed happen but a month later I got a *flashback* while not on any >drug and this was the beginning of my PD.
.... and ya ain't recovered yet..
actually, my first panic attack was after smokin weed, on the occasion of my 29th birthday, after smokin' muhself out, i think. i kinda think drug abuse is the reason for a lot of people's problems now.. i KNOW it's mine. (at least to a degree, i'm sure, i can't place blame on any one thing. i wish i friggin could.)
and as the 'acid queen' of da hour among my own lil group'ah guys.. (i never hung with chicks, they scare me).. peyote button sent me into a "visual'n trails" tailspin for weeks.
so after 3 skrait years of acid/shroom usage, daily abuse... i tend ta think there mightah been some truth in what the predictors or our future would be.... (misery).. i speak for myself.
(DISCLAIMER !!!!.. don't make me repeat it.. yanno it)
Except >that all I ever really did was smoke some marijuana in college;
"except" suggests that there's a line you didn't cross.. your line may have been different than others, making yours just as viable a reason as all others. i'm thinkin' 'excess' isn't the key phrase here, i'm thinkin 'cause and effect' might come into play.
now i wanna do a survey of everyone with panic attacks/disorder.. i will BET there's a common thread there.. that includes the drugs that were a sign of our times.
i love Timothy Leary.RIP
I was acutely anxious afterward, >and didn't like that, so didn't keep that hobby for very long.
completion is a definite problem with me. that's ADD, i'm told by the professionals..i have a sorta high IQ, a commonality with folks with disorders.. which ultimately is a measure of misery.. the ole IQ....
SO... ummmm. Gary !!!!!!!!!!! (how ya been, Dude?) wanna new hobby?
Except >that all I ever really did was smoke some marijuana in college; I did note >though, that after the fun part was done, I was acutely anxious afterward, >and didn't like that,>Gary>
seeeeeeeeeeeee? WEED CAUSES PANIC !
ok.. now we know what makes us panic and pregant, NO GETTIN' HIGH, NO FUCKIN !
(now what?)
::reloadin::
~tanya>
"Philip Peters" <philip@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message >news:cq18k7$e3p$4@news.cistron.nl...>> Johnny wrote:>>
"Philip Peters" <philip@p-peters.demon.nl> wrote in message >>> news:cpulci$5mf$1@news.cistron.nl...>>>
I never would've guessed this from Philip! How's Anna these days?
I had my first PA after smoking some weed, yet it took me years to figure out the best thing was to stop smoking it!
Now I barely even drink (ethanol) anymore.
I had my first PA in 1968 while on a four-day trip on a nasty >hallucinogen known as *STP*, one of the first *designer drugs*. Years >later I read an interview with its inventor who said that STP was >supposed to mean *Serenity Tranquillity Peace*. Up till then I always >thought it was named after the *motor oil*. Its LSD-like chemical >structure (only a lot stronger) was obviously laced with a lot of speed, >at least this was the case with the stuff I got. I didn't mind the bad >trip all that much, I was an experienced drug user (LOL) and expected >the whole thing to stop when the drug would have worn off. That did >indeed happen but a month later I got a *flashback* while not on any >drug and this was the beginning of my PD.>
I've heard this from some other women I know/knew. Most of 'em were tomboys though.
and as the 'acid queen' of da hour among my own lil group'ah guys.. (i never>hung with chicks, they scare me).. peyote button sent me into a "visual'n>trails" tailspin for weeks. >
Philip Peters 27 December 2004 17:18:11 [ permanent link ]
Pigdos wrote:
I never would've guessed this from Philip!
Hehe...why not? *I* would have guessed this from me (but then I already knew
How's Anna these days?
Anna, believe it or not, has started a business at eBay and is doing very well.>
I had my first PA after smoking some weed, yet it took me years to figure out> the best thing was to stop smoking it!
So now you're free-basing? >
Now I barely even drink (ethanol) anymore.
LOL. I like a few glasses of red wine from time to time and occasionally I drink a whole bottle or more just for the fun of it. It's not recommended by doctors
Philip
I had my first PA in 1968 while on a four-day trip on a nasty >>hallucinogen known as *STP*, one of the first *designer drugs*. Years >>later I read an interview with its inventor who said that STP was >>supposed to mean *Serenity Tranquillity Peace*. Up till then I always >>thought it was named after the *motor oil*. Its LSD-like chemical >>structure (only a lot stronger) was obviously laced with a lot of speed, >>at least this was the case with the stuff I got. I didn't mind the bad >>trip all that much, I was an experienced drug user (LOL) and expected >>the whole thing to stop when the drug would have worn off. That did >>indeed happen but a month later I got a *flashback* while not on any >>drug and this was the beginning of my PD.>>
very possable indeed,as in mf case. "Pigdos" <pigdos@aol.com> wrote in message news:20041227004729.21510.00002524@mb-m11.aol.com...> Cynicism doesn't help either.>
Sometimes I wonder if that fucking anxiety disorder is a result of all
hard and soft drugs I took while I was young and stupid.> >
Sometimes I wonder if that fucking anxiety disorder is a result of all>the>> >hard and soft drugs I took while I was young and stupid.
Although I do not think that it *caused* my AD (both my parents have anxiety and depression issues). I have no doubt that my heavy marijuana use as a teen exacerbated the illness I now despise.
<<<I have no doubt that my heavy marijuana use as a teen exacerbated the illness I now despise.>>>
In what way? I'm curious..... Lor
"ShorThing7" <shorthing7@aol.com> wrote in message news:20050107155303.06731.00001975@mb-m24.aol.com...> >> >Sometimes I wonder if that fucking anxiety disorder is a result of all> >the> >> >hard and soft drugs I took while I was young and stupid.>
Although I do not think that it *caused* my AD (both my parents have
anxiety> and depression issues). I have no doubt that my heavy marijuana use as a teen> exacerbated the illness I now despise.>
<<<I have no doubt that my heavy marijuana use as a teen>exacerbated the illness I now despise.>>>>
In what way? I'm curious.....>Lor
Well, I guess I can never prove it clinically... BUT, the main reason I stopped smoking was I began getting panic / anxiety / paranoia, after smoking.(Probably the only time in my life I'm grateful for anxiety). I began to think " why am I doing this to myself"? A few years later I began with AD. I still think there is a genetic base, as my Dad (who never smoked) has many similar symptoms. But I do think that marijuana is *not* harmless and can certainly set the stage for future mental illness, especially in those with genetic predisposition.
Philip Peters 8 January 2005 17:07:04 [ permanent link ]
ShorThing7 wrote:
<<<I have no doubt that my heavy marijuana use as a teen>>exacerbated the illness I now despise.>>>>>
In what way? I'm curious.....>>Lor>
Well, I guess I can never prove it clinically... BUT, the main reason I stopped> smoking was I began getting panic / anxiety / paranoia, after smoking.(Probably> the only time in my life I'm grateful for anxiety). I began to think " why am I> doing this to myself"? A few years later I began with AD. I still think there> is a genetic base, as my Dad (who never smoked) has many similar symptoms. But> I do think that marijuana is *not* harmless and can certainly set the stage for> future mental illness, especially in those with genetic predisposition.>
I've only smoked a handful of times in my 20's, so this was interesting to me. One could argue that the chicken came before the egg.....that you smoked pot to self-medicate your disorders. It'd be an interesting study. In my case genetics is the devil that makes me do it. It's rampant in my family, going back generations. Glad you quit tho', Chuckles. Lor "ShorThing7" <shorthing7@aol.com> wrote in message news:20050108043913.08102.00003151@mb-m05.aol.com...> ><<<I have no doubt that my heavy marijuana use as a teen> >exacerbated the illness I now despise.>>>> >
In what way? I'm curious.....> >Lor>
Well, I guess I can never prove it clinically... BUT, the main reason I
stopped> smoking was I began getting panic / anxiety / paranoia, after smoking.(Probably> the only time in my life I'm grateful for anxiety). I began to think " why am I> doing this to myself"? A few years later I began with AD. I still think there> is a genetic base, as my Dad (who never smoked) has many similar symptoms.
I do think that marijuana is *not* harmless and can certainly set the
stage for> future mental illness, especially in those with genetic predisposition.>
"Stu Pittasso" <ljadkins@wowway.noprocessedmeats.com> wrote in message news:n9udnaNsvssQakLcRVn-iA@wideopenwest.com...> I've only smoked a handful of times in my 20's, so this was interesting to> me. One could argue that the chicken came before the egg.....that you> smoked pot to self-medicate your disorders. It'd be an interesting study.> In my case genetics is the devil that makes me do it. It's rampant in my> family, going back generations.> Glad you quit tho', Chuckles. > Lor> "ShorThing7" <shorthing7@aol.com> wrote in message> news:20050108043913.08102.00003151@mb-m05.aol.com...> > ><<<I have no doubt that my heavy marijuana use as a teen> > >exacerbated the illness I now despise.>>>> > >
In what way? I'm curious.....> > >Lor> >
Hey Lori, I like that! The devil made me do it! LOL Reminds me of the old Flip Wilson show (some of you may remember it). Seriously, I do believe heredity can play a part. I could go on and on about both sides of my family but I won't. I will say there is depression and bipolar on one side and anxiety and depression on the other. I am just surprised I didn't develop panic disorder before 5 years ago.
Can anyone give me experiences or issues you think one should ask about with these drugs? I'm looking at some of these and side effects I want to avoid are any kind of heart arhythmia, liver or kidney problems, weight gain, increase in seizure threshold/neurotoxic, risk of stroke/increases in blood pressure.
"Hylander" <john.gagon@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1107682741.655680.288420@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> Fevarin> Luvox>
Can anyone give me experiences or issues you think one should ask about> with these drugs?
I took Luvox for a lot of years with no problems at all but I took an extremely low dose. I was taking 12.5 and I think the usual starting dose is closer to 125.
Gareeth wrote:> "Hylander" <john.gagon@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:1107682741.655680.288420@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> > Fevarin> > Luvox> >
Can anyone give me experiences or issues you think one should ask
about> > with these drugs?>
I took Luvox for a lot of years with no problems at all but I took an
extremely low dose. I was taking 12.5 and I think the usual starting
dose is> closer to 125.
Well, I know it has a dual purpose as anti-convulsant/(epileptic?) and anti-depressant. Are Fevarin and Luvox the same? Anyhow, it seems like it could benefit me a little based on some of my symptoms (mostly obsessive problems/unpleasant cyclic behaviours) and I'd probably prefer testing a low dose. It sounds like few side effects there to worry of. If the benefits are effective, I could get a little more or stay. Anyhow, I'll definitely check with the doc first but I can't imagine them being too resistant unless there is a contraindication I haven't checked.
"Hylander" <john.gagon@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1107724499.214007.133700@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>
Well, I know it has a dual purpose as anti-convulsant/(epileptic?) and> anti-depressant. Are Fevarin and Luvox the same?
I took it because at the time they had actually researched it in autistic people and that interested my doctor. It was supposed to benefit mainly the social anxiety aspect at the dosage and it did seem to do that. Yes I think Fevarin is what they call it in Europe.
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